MSNBC w/ Cenk: Middle East Peace Talks
Cenk Uygur (host of The Young Turks) filling in for Dylan Ratigan on MSNBC talks to Jeremy Ben-Ami of J Street about Middle East peace talks facilitated by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
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September 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
Surely a condition should be that the Israelis also renounce terror and violence before coming to the table? There is an a priori process of legitimation before this condition has been made on Hamas.
September 4th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
the politicians are trying to destroy all of our freedoms so the terrorists wont have much to hate
September 4th, 2010 at 7:13 pm
Check the vid
The Man Behind Building the Mosque
watch?v=EoE7_h-G2PE
September 4th, 2010 at 8:11 pm
Check the vid
The Man Behind Building the Mosque
watch?v=EoE7_h-G2PE
September 4th, 2010 at 8:21 pm
@Ex0dus111 I know u think ur smart becouse you managed to open a wikipedia page! here is some other facts.
Fact: Hamas has been firing rockets on israeli cities with the sole purpose of killing civilians. OVER 8,000 ROCKETS!
Fact: Hamas has been hiding in mosqes and schools and homes of their own populations so the bombs wont kill them.
Fact: in WW2 there were 60,595 British civilians killied and 600,000 german civilian killed… who were the bad guys?
ur propaganda fails against reality !!
September 4th, 2010 at 8:26 pm
@FormerlyKnownAsNopez israel is very much democrcy. you are just an ignorent bigoted person to deny that. 20% of israelis arnt jewish and have full rights they vote and have a substensial part in the knesset. and what do u mean “In Europe you cannot expel people and deny them right to return” what about jews who fled the nazis in the 40’s can they return home?!? can they have their homes back!?!?! NO!! what a liberal you are?
September 4th, 2010 at 8:38 pm
@FormerlyKnownAsNopez the only nazi here is you!! u think that jews dont have the right for a state but the palestine should be a pure state with not one jew in it!! you want a arab-nazi state.
September 4th, 2010 at 8:51 pm
@bimblinghill what are tou talking about there has been a total and complete freeze! not one rock was settled. and i dont think settelments need to go, there are a third of a milion settlers most of them setteling for economical reasons what u wana do with them?
i say that if they dont want to leave they should be given palestinian citizenship. why should israel have 20% arab population but palestine should be a pure palestinian state.
September 4th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
@guyba7 Rare occasions… if u want to argue facts get the right first.
At LEAST look at wikipedia before u open ur mouth.
FACT: Over 4,000 homes destroyed in Gaza during the three-week armed conflict winter of 2008–2009.
FACT: Total killed — Israeli – 13, Palestine – 1,417
FACT: Total wounded — Israeli – 518, Palestine – 5,303
This was all in Gaza during the three-week armed conflict winter of 2008–2009.
See how ur propaganda fails against the reality of Facts?
Wake up.
September 4th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
@JaywalkerJack The problem is this somewhat fallacious belief that Jews are radically different from other Semites, which is not the case. If “ethnic” barriers could be broken down, then and only then could there be real peace.
September 4th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
@Saaduk92 I’m an idiot because I have the same opinion as you? Interesting hypothesis.
Other governments pay lip-service to the problem, and nod along with the US just to keep her happy. Ultimately though peace in Israel is very low on other governments to-do list. Only in the US is always high because of a powerful jewish lobby. And If you think genocide didnt shape todays world then you are a child. The the USA & Latin America were built on it.
Ever heard of the Roman Empire?
September 4th, 2010 at 11:09 pm
@FormerlyKnownAsNopez I don’t think that Cenk is defending that position, just stating that is what the Israeli government will demand.
September 4th, 2010 at 11:38 pm
@niriop A secular, neutral state for Jewish Israelis and Muslim Israelis alike is the logical solution. The problem is that Israel was founded so that Jews would have their own state rather than being a minority at the mercy of other groups – if the central position of the Jewish ethnicity/religion in the state is removed, the Jews could again find themselves a minority. In the end this may be a fate Israelis will have to accept, or else remain permanently at odds with their Muslims neighbours.
September 5th, 2010 at 12:00 am
@gilsonbicudo No worries.
September 5th, 2010 at 12:29 am
@gilsonbicudo So?! How does this have a bearing on the right of those known currently as Palestinians to live there? You seem to be implying that in becoming Islamic they have become ‘Arabs’ & surrendered their right to a home.
September 5th, 2010 at 12:42 am
@guyba7 the peace talks would actually be simple, if israel decided to respect international laws on the situation…but its not willing to do so. Thus, the complications.
September 5th, 2010 at 1:41 am
@daderone if that is true than they suck at avoiding civilian death more than any armed country.
September 5th, 2010 at 1:53 am
What is Abbas doing there?
Who is he representing?
His term has ended and the real Palestinian representative is the Hamas govt which has been chosen in democratic elections.
September 5th, 2010 at 2:42 am
In liberal democracy (Cenk is a liberal) rights are based on citizenship not ethnicity(!!!).
Israel IS NOT a democracy. And Cenk likes it.
In Europe you cannot expel people and deny them right to return, citing the necessity of ethnic purity.
USA fought in Bosnia against this kind of policy of ethnic cleansing and creating pure ethnic states..
September 5th, 2010 at 2:50 am
Wow..So Cenk suddenly stops being a liberal when it comes to Israel…
He basically says: “We can’t give Palestinians the right to return [after ethnic cleansing], because Israel will not be a pure Jewish state”
Where did your liberal values go?
Why should Israel be a Jewish state? Are you supporting the Judeo-Nazi State?
September 5th, 2010 at 2:58 am
@ThisPageStaysREAL yeah. I actually know a family who left Israel because they were disgusted by what is going on there. I know a few others there who feel the same way but don’t want to leave family and friends.
@ziggy8392 how do you know that? When it comes to Israel most of the US media is comparable to Fox News what they say is complete bs.
September 5th, 2010 at 3:33 am
@310sucks
If that’s your point then, quite frankly, you’re an idiot. One, because that’s the same as my opinion. Two, because the US and Israel are the only thing standing in the way of peace. Three, your argument was that other government’s didn’t care, when they clearly do.
Also, genocide isn’t how a nation is built. That’s how mass-murderers are built.
September 5th, 2010 at 4:07 am
@madmiguelh2o I like Hummus more than Hamas
September 5th, 2010 at 5:01 am
There can be no real lasting peace in the Middle East so long as Israel continues to behave as they do! The US lets them get away with murder while expecting everyone else to tow the line! It won’t work!!!
September 5th, 2010 at 5:41 am
This guest is weaksauce.